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weird detoxification remedies and

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while you're

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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show number 98 98 for the 3rd of

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september 2010 richard saunders here in

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atlanta georgia

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and that little clip you heard just

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from the bbc and it was a particularly

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sweet moment for skeptics where brian

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dunning pwned his opponent so to speak

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brian is with me right now

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i am oh and i have i have i was going to

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say shrimp but i realized that it's

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tell me about that moment brian with the

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as you heard i was on the i was on the

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and he he had apparently read my website

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against and he read my episode about

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anti-detoxification guy like he's all

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opposed to fraudulent products and

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everything leaving me there for with

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nothing to say so he when he finishes

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i said but you have detoxification

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exciting it's carrie island hi carrie

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hey richard it's good to see you again

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hebrew the israeli skeptical podcast and

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did at uh skeptics in the pub brian

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skeptics in the pub the other night

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here um in the states at uh oh yes that

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welcome to america how are you enjoying

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it's very young in israel

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everything about twitter and facebook

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and

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very young is it because of the language

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or i mean surely there's no

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technological barrier israel is very

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advanced technologically so what is it

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because of the language because support

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for hebrew in these platforms is just

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not good enough actually

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i wish it was that simple but no i i i

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can't explain it i think it's more of

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age group and my age group

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i will not tell you how old am i

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okay by my age group it's not something

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18 to 22 yeah yeah yeah

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20 and 22 years

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experience okay so we don't we prefer to

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go out to drink a beer we we when i met

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your only all day like this in the

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computer all the day when you do it

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when you say like this you know yeah we

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have to

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i think it's the culture more

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than the

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the language language is not the problem

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because a lot of people in israel speak

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english talking a

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read english it's not really a problem

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we learn english at

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school so what are the plans for i mean

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okay so

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obviously it's all very new and there's

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the things take time and um what are

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your plans for the near future what do

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you what would you like to see

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for skeptics in israel in the in the

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next few months well uh actually uh leo

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is more of the person to speak of it

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because i have a very limited tunnel

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vision you know

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me and

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went out to eat hummus and we said oh

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the sjo is so cool we have to have

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something like that and we did and

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that's what i focus on and i can't think

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of anything else while i do it uh

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skeptics in the pub i couldn't think of

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it leo and shannon did everything and so

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but we all had some uh great ideas uh

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and first and

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as part of the podcast to go and

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perform some uh inquiries and

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investigations

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like what you guys did

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with the bracelets the power balance

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basis yeah yeah that that was very

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inspirational because it was uh

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very easy to do i mean

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yeah yeah you can see me doing air quote

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but it's accessible it's something we

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can do and

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and going over to a pharmacy and talking

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about homeostasis

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homeopathy or going over to a reiki

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twitter twitter

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i say if we would we like to speak about

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reiki for example and say reiki is not

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working okay so one of us will go and

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speak with reiki men and one of us will

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go and get a treatment and one of us

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will go and

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sources and and so on and when we came

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and make a

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a

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works

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and anecdotal evidence that something

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doesn't work are equally valuable yeah

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which is not valuable okay they

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basically so i think what you might want

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to do if you're going to investigate

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things is actually investigate

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scientifically

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to a limited extent in a similar sense

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perhaps to what the mythbusters do where

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they don't actually go through a whole

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scientific

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you know investigation vigorous rigorous

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but you do want to for example do a you

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can do quite easily a double blind test

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that's not difficult at all yeah to do

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um and even for something like reiki

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there's things where it's difficult yeah

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for example with um

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with acupuncture doing a double-blind

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test requires some special techniques

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yeah

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with with with with reiki that's not a

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problem it's very easy to do so don't

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don't try not to rely on anecdotes and

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on your personal

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opinions and feelings and

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and double-blinded tests

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i think it uh

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solves 90 of perception issues

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immediately yes

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so

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publish ourselves

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in

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that is skeptic and you will help us

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so we will put a banner in a

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in a student's size or something like

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this it's a it's it's a hard work but if

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we will um

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go away

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i don't know how to say it in english

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but in hebrew there is very beautiful

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step by step step by step but yes if we

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will do it step by step and we will say

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we can do it

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we have to take this explosion that

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happened in the past few months and

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translate it into hard work with real

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people

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from small organizations that can do

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real work

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and for it to develop a real community

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not just

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skeptics in the part that come and

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go but a real community with

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real

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so that's that and as after that

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layer will be in place uh we're very

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excited about them perhaps bringing them

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to israel

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did you speak to randy about it yeah

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randy yeah we also interview randy yeah

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and we get yeah they

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think it's a beautiful it's yeah um but

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yeah you obviously you have to you know

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what the risks are and what the kind of

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things that we talked about that already

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about the kind of things that you need

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to make sure they're in place the

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building of a community needs to come

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first

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now with regards to um to skeptics in

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the pub what kind of things do you hope

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to do in order to grow that kind of

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activity

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get people more involved like

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get them to give them perhaps lectures

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and

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how we can develop a discourse i mean

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it's one thing to say okay that's the

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plan and you can come to this evening

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and listen to abc and another thing is

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to um

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start this

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discussion and say what would you like

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to see and everyone can offer something

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from them from themselves bring new

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ideas bring their friends and then maybe

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go into

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and we started to talk with the weizmann

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institute in

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hobart it's kind of a parallel to a

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university that

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perhaps get them

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into a partnership they have an outreach

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program for a science to the public so

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perhaps uh get them involved and things

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like that

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uh yeah that's okay that's basically and

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if people want to uh find out more about

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israeli skeptics in general and about

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ceo podcast in particular can you tell

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us where they could go yeah of course

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we're at www.suffexsevere.com

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but it's best that you just say uh just

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write www dot

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which is s a f e k

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dot c o dot i l and you'll get to us

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but the site is in hebrew perhaps we

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should start uh i think you could i

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think you can assume you can assume

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that uh the people listening to this and

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actually going to your side yeah yeah

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yeah no the rights affect severe anymore

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yeah yeah so in for israeli skeptics and

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the site is skeptics.org

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dot io

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okay fantastic and that's the espinoza

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website yeah we decided

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but both of the sites are in hebrew yeah

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it's a very good challenge yes

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yeah okay yeah

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thank you very much for being here thank

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you very much it's been a delight to

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meet you and meeting you here i must say

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thank you very much nice meeting you as

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ultimate health is for everybody so

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everybody should come along to the

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ground exhibition hall 2 olympic park

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homebush visit

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ultimatehealthevent.com for more

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hi there zoners

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i've just returned from the inaugural

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ultimate health event which aimed and i

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quote

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to bring awareness to complementary

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therapies as well as ancient wisdom

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grammatical error not mine

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and boasted almost 70 stalls and two

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days of seminars and workshops

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the event was held inside a large

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exhibition hall at sydney's olympic park

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and by the slickness of the website

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promoting the event it looked to be a

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major attraction on the calendar of wu

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what met me on entering the exhibition

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hall can only be described as a sad

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spectacle

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unlike the biannual mind body spirit

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festival which i have previously

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described as positively abuzz with

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festivity and punters jostling for

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lotions and potions

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the ultimate health event proved to be a

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ghost town and with none of the usual

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psychics holding court there weren't

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even any ghosts to fill the empty spaces

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where the punters should have been

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i can't deny that i'm developing a

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reluctance to attend these festivals

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while there is much to be said for

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weeding out the more dangerous vendors

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with the potential to report them to the

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relevant authorities

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there is not much satisfaction to be

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gained from arguing with true believers

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who will only repeat the same arguments

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back at you over and over again with no

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chance of winning them over with reason

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logic and scientific evidence

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but sometimes we must give into

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temptation and so it was that richard

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saunders think tanker james and i found

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ourselves wondering the empty isles of

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another spectacle of utter nonsense

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the lack of crowds made going incognito

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somewhat of a challenge stall holders

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desperate to apply their wares to anyone

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other than their neighbours left out at

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us as we walk by offering free massages

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health checks and tasty treats

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peppered between the array of organic

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food organic skin care organic

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supplements

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and organic pet foods we're offers of

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health promotion illness prevention risk

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reduction accelerated healing immune

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system enhancement immune system support

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natural improvement improved metabolism

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maximum potential

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and so on and so on

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i will recount a conversation we had

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with a gentleman from the natural health

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society

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this organization claims to

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promote lifestyle for the prevention of

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illness and premature aging

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and like so many others of its ilk

565
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,400
adopt an anti-science approach which

566
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:02,559
blames big pharma and big medicine for

567
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,360
society's ills

568
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,440
he introduced us to foot patches which

569
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,600
have been long debunked but which he

570
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,000
claims draw toxins out the body through

571
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:14,640
your feet while you sleep at night

572
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,640
why the feet you ask

573
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,080
well this is where things like heavy

574
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,880
metals tend to settle down of course

575
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,720
he says that this is what they the

576
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:24,240
company claim

577
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,840
but it's not something he is able to

578
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,120
test

579
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:28,880
he seemed uncomfortable when we pressed

580
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,279
him on how he knew they worked to which

581
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:32,880
he said that the best thing is to go by

582
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,840
what people have said about the results

583
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:37,679
he agreed that it was reasonable that if

584
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,159
they were to test the patches after use

585
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,880
they should find metals in the pads

586
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,320
but he didn't know where this had been

587
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:46,240
done since the company that made them

588
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,600
were still getting around to doing the

589
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,520
testing

590
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,799
he said that they weren't used in

591
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:52,880
hospitals for the same reason that

592
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:55,039
hospitals don't use the nutrition they

593
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,159
teach

594
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,000
because hospitals don't understand

595
00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:00,080
health

596
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,600
he then claimed that in countries where

597
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,760
doctors went on strike the death rate

598
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,799
fell

599
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,400
but what would people do when they get

600
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,000
sick we asked if they closed all the

601
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,600
hospitals

602
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,279
well the body has a powerful

603
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:13,279
self-healing capacity which doesn't

604
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,799
depend on drugs to get it to work

605
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,159
as if the conversation couldn't

606
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,159
degenerate any further

607
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,640
we turned a sharp right down the road of

608
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,320
the drug companies are running the

609
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,559
health system they guide the medical

610
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,880
degrees the pharmaceutical companies

611
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,480
have enough money through marketing to

612
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:32,000
influence every government in the

613
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,200
country

614
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:35,440
chemotherapy is poison

615
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,480
and so on and so on until his conspiracy

616
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,880
added mind turned my own to a quivering

617
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,360
puddle of mush

618
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,799
what about the companies that sell

619
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,440
vitamins and supplements i asked

620
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:49,120
don't they have a vested interest in

621
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,400
making money

622
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,279
they're a multi-million dollar industry

623
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,640
oh no he'd have none of that they have a

624
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,720
vested interest in doing the right thing

625
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,320
he said

626
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,799
i could go on but this is almost word

627
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:04,480
for word what can be found in any

628
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,279
ultimate website chat room seminar

629
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:09,679
festival or message board any day of the

630
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:10,720
week

631
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,440
the claims are so preposterous so

632
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,960
lacking in anything resembling

633
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,360
scientific evidence and so entirely

634
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,279
caught up in a frenzy of hysterical

635
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,279
ideological fervor

636
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:23,120
that there is not much left other than

637
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,720
to hope that some vulnerable member of

638
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,320
the public is not ensnared by the

639
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,960
propaganda

640
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:30,880
i won't deny that the stall describing

641
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,159
itself as scientific naturopathy made me

642
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,159
want to hurl myself across the room in a

643
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,559
violent manner disturbing chakras and

644
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,960
disrupting quantum theta harmonies as i

645
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,720
went

646
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,320
fortunately

647
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,320
if the number of people attending the

648
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:48,960
inaugural ultimate health event 2010 is

649
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,960
anything to go by

650
00:27:02,789 --> 00:26:52,880
i won't be losing too much sleep over

651
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,230
alright guys i was talking to richard

652
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,159
sorensen today all right uh he said if

653
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,559
we record a trailer for a podcast

654
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,559
skeptics with a k uh he'd play it on

655
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:12,080
there on their show that's nice of him

656
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,440
that's very generous it's pretty good

657
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,720
i'm not sure what we could do though i

658
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,559
mean well i suppose you tell people the

659
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,080
show's about but it's basically it's

660
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,880
this yeah like yeah but you know we talk

661
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,559
about science and skepticism and things

662
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,919
that's that's true i suppose you

663
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,679
mentioned the website address mercy side

664
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,919
skeptics.uk yeah yeah i'll just like

665
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,600
search with itunes oh and then we could

666
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:31,440
end with like a big song like the

667
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:35,360
skeptics with okay no no no don't don't

668
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:44,070
well what a wonderful evening it is here

669
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:44,960
in

670
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,320
gone down about uh oh half an hour ago

671
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:55,039
and venus is so bright above the ocean

672
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,039
i'm here at skeptics in the pub in the

673
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,240
orange county and a delightful lady has

674
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:02,399
come along to see us hi hello

675
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,600
and your name is jan rasmussen hi jen

676
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:07,760
and uh you are a fan of the skeptic zone

677
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,720
sure am been missing maybe two or three

678
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,320
years something like that that's well

679
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,840
ever since we've started then it's about

680
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,159
two years so that's that's great to know

681
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,919
and i'm so glad that you've you've come

682
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,159
along to greet dr he and myself we're of

683
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,200
course um here visiting brian dunning

684
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:25,520
and i think brian and a few friends have

685
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:27,039
put this little night together where

686
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:28,840
what is this place we're at

687
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,799
exactly crystal cove crystal cove yes

688
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,640
it's a state park

689
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,399
and um

690
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,559
this is only my second time here

691
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,720
you can rent cabins here

692
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,320
i don't know if there's camping or not

693
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:44,399
but uh yeah apparently it's been here

694
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,919
for decades

695
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,240
it's it's what i really love about it is

696
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,039
uh today was a really nice warm hot day

697
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,880
visiting brian and we've come here and

698
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,320
it's cooled off

699
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:56,480
amazingly and it's so comfortable it's

700
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,279
not

701
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,520
hot and sticky at all it's really

702
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,480
wonderful weather but apart from that

703
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,720
you also enjoy the other podcasts i

704
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:06,720
understand the other skeptical podcasts

705
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,440
yes uh skeptics guided the universe

706
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,440
point of inquiry

707
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,039
skepticality

708
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:15,760
and you guys what oh and free fought

709
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:16,640
three

710
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,520
thought

711
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,480
today

712
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,320
well there are so many now which is

713
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:22,240
which is a really great thing and

714
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,279
what

715
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,960
from your point of view i mean you

716
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,799
listen to a great range of skeptical uh

717
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,799
podcast is is it the interviews is it

718
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,200
the information is it what do you like

719
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,200
what do you enjoy about them

720
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:34,880
all the interviews definitely i get i

721
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,520
get learned about what's out there what

722
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:39,120
maybe some new books that i need to

723
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,480
check out

724
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:43,039
um people who are doing

725
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,389
things that

726
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,120
that are important that you know are

727
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,279
part of this movement and

728
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:54,720
it's great to learn about what's going

729
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,520
on

730
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,520
i'm glad you appreciate that because

731
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,880
whenever i

732
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,720
conduct an interview myself for the show

733
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,320
and i i think it's the same for the

734
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,480
other skeptic's own team members we

735
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:06,000
learn stuff ourselves as we're

736
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,240
interviewing we we're like the audience

737
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,760
in that respect we're learning what

738
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:11,520
these people wonderful people we

739
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:14,080
interviewed have to say

740
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,120
yeah

741
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,520
definitely it's it's

742
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:19,760
it's i it's opened a whole new world for

743
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:20,480
me

744
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,440
that i never even knew existed so

745
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,960
you know

746
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,360
and it's a great community it is um this

747
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,880
is just my second time the skeptics in

748
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,640
the pub and it's just people are so

749
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:32,799
friendly and just you know so welcoming

750
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,840
so it's great well again it's so i'm so

751
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,520
pleased that you've come along tonight

752
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,360
and i think we should uh head back up

753
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:41,120
the beach a little bit and join join the

754
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,640
rest of the crew thank you very much

755
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,200
richard he's great good i do like the

756
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,520
shirt oh i thank you thank you

757
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,399
folks i've been skeptically pwned and

758
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,720
who better than to pone me skeptically

759
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,000
than john hi

760
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,080
hey how's it going i'm fine now you send

761
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,559
me some ads for your podcast i did

762
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,760
indeed

763
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:01,840
and how's that going it's going very

764
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:04,159
well thank you very much of course

765
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,600
the videos are going great in fact we

766
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,080
actually just released today not not

767
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,159
more than a couple hours ago are part

768
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,720
two of the ghost hunters video so this

769
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,000
time you actually see somebody getting

770
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:16,159
kicked in the nuts

771
00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:17,919
i don't want i did i give it away i'm

772
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:19,520
sorry i don't give away the ending oh

773
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,039
damn well by the time this goes out

774
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,039
people might have seen it anyway

775
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,880
maybe

776
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,880
but you just took it off of your own

777
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,159
evolution to

778
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:29,760
write to me

779
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,840
yeah and say would you mind playing my

780
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,840
uh ad on your show yeah i figured you

781
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,240
know you guys have a pretty cool podcast

782
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,640
like let's get uh an audio spot on there

783
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,559
get the australians to watch our videos

784
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,480
yeah yeah the australians appreciate

785
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:45,120
nutshots too i'm assuming right oh yeah

786
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,480
oh sure why not

787
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:48,240
it's universal it's unique works on so

788
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,600
many levels

789
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,960
why did you come up with the name

790
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:52,880
because it just it's self-explanatory

791
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,760
yes well it's funny i i learned what the

792
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:57,039
word meant

793
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,799
you know oh thank you very much i

794
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,240
learned what the word meant by some

795
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:02,000
video gamers and i'm like that sounds

796
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:03,679
cool and nerdy

797
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,679
just like the skeptics

798
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:07,200
let's use that

799
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,480
skeptically pawn somebody yeah you know

800
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,240
it's it's funny even now i have to

801
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:15,039
explain the expression to people oh yeah

802
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:15,760
yeah

803
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,399
own cause o is next to the p it's a

804
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,159
purposeful misspell

805
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:21,760
but it's it must be a word that will

806
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:24,240
enter the language point yeah sure if it

807
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,039
hasn't already no it is uh it's here to

808
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:29,120
stay oh yeah yeah

809
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:32,720
so skeptically phoned yes the website is

810
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,679
skeptically pwned dot com and there's no

811
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,200
e because we don't believe in silent

812
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,430
well we're in the think of it now brian

813
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:44,000
i must uh thank you very much for

814
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,440
uh

815
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:47,120
putting this together tonight yeah i

816
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:48,399
actually didn't put it together i just

817
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,830
well thank you thank you for advertising

818
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,000
at least

819
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,240
always a good time this is a fabulous

820
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,159
place i guess this is about the

821
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:02,240
the third time we've been here it's

822
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,000
right on the sand in newport beach

823
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:08,000
it's in fact nobody's done it yet but

824
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,440
generally people are taking their drinks

825
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,679
and walking around out on the beach

826
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:12,720
yeah so

827
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:13,840
do you think you're going to make this a

828
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,519
regular event

829
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:18,000
it well yeah it's we it is a regular

830
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:19,440
event we just don't come here every time

831
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,960
we usually go to

832
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:23,120
um just a regular little irish pub in

833
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,559
newport that's a

834
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,240
a great place to meet because it's quiet

835
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,679
for some reason it's always deserted

836
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,600
even though it's a great little place

837
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,760
but we come here when it's warm because

838
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,360
it can get quite chilly here at night

839
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,480
during the winter and so forth but

840
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,240
we have a really good turnout every time

841
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,760
we come here so

842
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,360
well it's a great turnout tonight i'm

843
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,760
i'm flattered and shows dr he that so

844
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,360
many people have come along to say hello

845
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,840
to us it's it's uh it makes us feel very

846
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,440
welcome well it should notice how many

847
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,200
more people are here tonight

848
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,279
than our when when it's just just me

849
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,840
who's hosting so you must get very

850
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,080
lonely being by yourself

851
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:00,240
always i'm very accustomed to that so

852
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:15,270
well it's day one at dragon con i'm in

853
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:18,800
the hilton hotel in the skeptrak room

854
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,079
big table in front of me where the

855
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,240
speakers are i can see james randy ben

856
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,079
radford there's joe nicholl up there

857
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,760
jamie and swiss

858
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,760
daniel loxton also the room's full of

859
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,000
people the first talk's just over

860
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,599
people are lining up to speak to all

861
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:33,679
these people and randy as ever there's a

862
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,320
queue of people in front of him i think

863
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,919
skip track this year should be a great

864
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,760
success the first session was a full

865
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,200
house

866
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,359
which is a good sign i'm really pleased

867
00:34:46,829 --> 00:34:45,520
to be here with kylie sturgess and dr

868
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,839
rachie of

869
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,560
course it's really hard and like a

870
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:50,960
little puppy i'm following the uh

871
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,760
the director shall i say of skeptic trek

872
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,520
derrick collin dunno from skepticality

873
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,200
hi derek hi

874
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,440
another one another big skeptic track

875
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,880
this is the third one i think the third

876
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,960
year third year third year and it's

877
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,800
bigger than ever well and actually we

878
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,040
started what three hours earlier

879
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,359
and going about an hour or two later

880
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,599
every day yeah and a full house to begin

881
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,839
uh first panel of the day before the con

882
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:16,640
actually technically starts where the

883
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,800
the room was totally full it's fantastic

884
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:20,560
hey i can't complain

885
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,320
thanks derek i'll get a catch kylie

886
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,839
now listeners you think i might have

887
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,760
come a long way from sydney but kylie

888
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,480
all the way from perth how do you cope

889
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,640
with the jet lag kylie i generally just

890
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,240
try to make sure i arrive a day or so

891
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,320
early and i check out the place and and

892
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,760
get myself ready i saw you were

893
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,440
twittering from a few days being here at

894
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,280
dragon well not really dragoncon in

895
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,119
atlanta anyway yes absolutely and if

896
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,880
people want to check out the video that

897
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,119
i took i'm going to see if i'm going i

898
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,720
can get it up on the token skeptic

899
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,320
podcast i'll see if i can put it up as a

900
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,960
little vodcast i do put it up on youtube

901
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,640
but i i thought i might see if i can get

902
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,320
it downloadable there too i have some

903
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,640
amazing footage of a certain alien

904
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,400
turning up on a local tv station where

905
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,280
apparently myself and uh desiree show

906
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,720
appeared we appeared on

907
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,240
on local television this morning we were

908
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,640
in the background waiting to help uh ko

909
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,240
myers line up in order to get his badge

910
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,000
so we're famous already and the show

911
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,160
hadn't even started it's great i mean

912
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:15,839
it's great to see so many um good

913
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,320
skeptics here uh just outside the door

914
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,400
we've got uh tables of skeptics around

915
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,640
the corner yeah i had breakfast this

916
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:24,800
morning in the same room as larry hagren

917
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,599
oh aren't you posh and um the guy who

918
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:29,040
plays roger healy i just can't think of

919
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:30,000
his name

920
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,520
they're both here yeah you are

921
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,880
completely geeking out i know that the

922
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,640
entire picking up i know that the entire

923
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,720
cast of i dream of jeannie is here

924
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,560
that's it that they were there except i

925
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,400
didn't see barbara eden i saw brent

926
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:42,960
spiner yesterday oh my goodness

927
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,960
so yeah i assure you ladies and

928
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,400
gentlemen listening to the show by the

929
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,560
end of this richard will have hugged

930
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,000
everybody on the eye dream of genie

931
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:52,400
caster it's just a given it's a geek out

932
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,599
thanks kylie you're welcome

933
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,520
so i'm wandering around the level two

934
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,119
here at the hilton

935
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,720
hundreds of people

936
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,200
this is friday uh

937
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,359
friday at 11 15. hundreds of people

938
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,520
already milling about many already

939
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,760
dressed up in costume

940
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,520
i'm walking over here near the walk of

941
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,440
fame where soon celebrities of all

942
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,599
flavors will be

943
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,839
sitting down so you can line up and

944
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:19,920
buy their autograph

945
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:23,520
but just outside the walk of fame

946
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:26,079
we have the table here

947
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:27,359
of

948
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:30,400
astronomy cast

949
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:33,760
and i can see fraser and pamela already

950
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,320
eagerly waiting to sell their wonderful

951
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:38,320
merchandise and tell people giveaway and

952
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,920
we're giving away nasa stuff so we're

953
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,599
selling stuff for astrosphere and

954
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,359
astronomy cast to support astronomy

955
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:45,839
education and giving away nasa imagery

956
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:48,240
to get people looking up and learning

957
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:50,240
so people are here at dragoncon happen

958
00:37:52,990 --> 00:37:51,680
to be listening to this podcast where

959
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:53,000
can they find you

960
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,800
astronomycast.com

961
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:56,880
excellent

962
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,599
and we have the skeptic table with

963
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:02,160
carrie hi carrie hey richard how are you

964
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,440
today i'm good how are you i'm okay and

965
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,000
wow look at all the surly amy

966
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,599
necklaces that are

967
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,359
on show and of course

968
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,440
really importantly you have the

969
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,000
information for the hug me unvaccinated

970
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,480
the vaccination drive yes

971
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,320
saturday and sunday at the peachtree

972
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,119
center which is adjacent to the

973
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,280
convention hotels we'll be doing a free

974
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,920
pertussis booster vaccination clinic so

975
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,000
come and get vaccinated and you can get

976
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,040
a free hug from a skeptic

977
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,359
an offer too good to refuse i was

978
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,359
vaccinated last year i had my boosters

979
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,960
so i can't take but i'll come for the

980
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:40,720
free hugs yeah

981
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,599
i might make an exception for you

982
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,920
lucky enough to catch george rob george

983
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:47,280
hello

984
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,440
once again look

985
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:53,280
over there in the corner look at randy

986
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,640
oh they're looking for the endless

987
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,079
photographer yes yes it's the most

988
00:39:12,310 --> 00:38:58,240
popular man in dragon con james randy

989
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:14,390
yeah i think it did yes

990
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:15,920
oh my goodness you're all dressed for

991
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,790
they gave me one of these little

992
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,640
fentanyl wait a minute wait a minute

993
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,720
it's real it's real my friend i always

994
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:25,680
check

995
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:34,630
nice yeah so it's a smorgasbord of

996
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,839
skeptics ladies and gentlemen

997
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,680
but so saying i guess it's time i went

998
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:41,680
and produced this show so you could all

999
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:53,589
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1000
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,880
zone all the way from atlanta georgia

1001
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,280
well we're in for a fun uh three or four

1002
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,839
days action-packed as they say and i'll

1003
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,000
be racing around with my microphone my

1004
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,720
wonderful new canon camera

1005
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:09,119
to catch as much of the excitement as i

1006
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,400
possibly can

1007
00:40:14,589 --> 00:40:12,240
so until next week's show this is

1008
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:14,599
richard saunders signing off from room

1009
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,710
you've been listening to the skeptic

1010
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:24,640
zone visit our website at

1011
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:30,870
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